The 92F also boasted an impressive 35, mean rounds before failure during the tests. Its large ejection port and near-straight blowback design also make it less prone to jamming. However, the M9 suffered heavily as a result of government cost-saving. The original Beretta magazines were made by Mec-Gar, an industry leader famed for producing reliable and high-quality magazines. Combined with the fine sand of the Middle East, the lower-quality Check-Mate magazines led to feeding issues in the M9.
Airtronic eventually took over the magazine contract and patterned its magazines after the OEM Mec-Gars. The M9 features a double-action trigger. This means that the weapon can be fired by a long trigger pull which cycles the hammer back before releasing it. It can also be fired single-action with the hammer back.
Generally, a double-action trigger acts as a safety mechanism. Disregarding the costs for the pistol itself, there could be additional costs in ammunition, training, holsters, and other support for the system. Additionally, cost overruns that are typical of military contracts must also be factored into the total tab.
Furthermore, pistols are simply not a war winning weapon. They are backup weapons. While our troops should have the best, most reliable equipment possible, in a world of finite resources, the Army would be better off investing in the tools of warfare most likely to have an impact in protecting the lives of our soldiers and allowing them to accomplish their missions.
A new standard-issue pistol system will not change the way America fights its wars, tactically or strategically. In the world of small arms technology, there is nothing so revolutionary as to justify the expense of replacing the current arsenal without data to support it. Over the past century, there have been no advances in pistol weaponry as significant as the revolution seen in rifles. The ammunition has remained much the same, and the patterns of the weapons have remained much the same.
The materials may have changed, but the basic function of the weapons has not. Does this mean the entire inventory? Does this mean a selection of pistols? Does this mean that specific components are worn out? If it is just specific components, then the Army should replace those components.
If it is individual pistols, the Army should replace those individual pistols. The Army also recently issued a contract for , new M9 pistols in , replacing a significant portion of the current stock. If half the inventory is being replaced already, why does the army then need to re-replace those brand new pistols?
At this time, there are simply too many unanswered questions surrounding a potential M9 replacement to endorse a competition for a new pistol. If the Army deems it is necessary to replace, it should first demonstrate with data that the current system is a liability to our soldiers, and that proper comprehensive training cannot correct the claimed deficiencies. From my most recent experiences what is necessary is more emphasis on small arms marksmanship, more range time and more range practice matched with increased qualification and tactical live fire exercises.
Saw cases where nine millimeter s did nothing to stop a meth head. In a neighboring county, the officer empties All fourteen rounds into a huge Fat guy. Only one round penetrated the body cavity. The difference being , one round from a. Stopping power is key. A political token to appease the Italians. A foolish weapon to take into multiple desert wars because that open slide invited dirt and sand. When using this weapon in PSD platoons we just carried it with the decocker on red, To make it seem more like a Glock on the draw.
Literally the last choice of anybody with a choice. I have had failure to feed and to extract with it. Good riddance. I was a right when the transition between the and the M9 happened. The had better ergonomics when it came to defensive shooting but the M9 had more rounds and was easier to shoot. We all carried the M9. Never did I have a gun failure or any real issues. Great pistol, Wish i has one. Easy enough to clean, easy enough to hit a target, no real recoil.
Never was shot at, never had to shoot anything but paper, but I did love it. With the newer double stack. Carried my own in Vietnam U S Army. Modern loads with JHP or bonded JHP for penetration have pretty much made pistol rounds better for stopping threats, but a long gun is still the best option.
The MA1 is far superior to the Beretta. Yes, the old guns rattled and were a bit loose, but they were still good. Qualled with an M9, had a few in the safe in our shop, 4 with magazine inserted, 8 magazines with 14 rounds each, 10 9mm rounds loose in a box, 4 web belts with mag pouches and holsters, inventoried those a bunch. Had one issued to me a few times for currier and augee doggee duty. Outside of training and qualify zero rounds fired.
I remember the SEAL incident was almost a deal breaker. For me the M always fired, but the rattle bothered me to no end and resulted in several heated conversations with our armorer. The M9 extra training needs meant that we had ONLY two quick-draw incidents inside the cage with minor injuries one a SSgt that spent some time explaining.
Eventually I was able to feel comfortable with either, but I was always irritated that I just missed my pistol expert to go with my rifle expert. You stated the is single action only. That is not correct. The only handgun that is single action only is a single action revolver or derringer. A single action on a semi-automatic pistol is where pulling the trigger only accomplishes one action, releasing the hammer to fall.
A double action pistol pulling the trigger both moves the hammer rearward and causes it to fall, the is definitely a single action pistol. If you believe that.. Browning Hi-Power is also single action Anyways.. Renamed the most famous single action semiautomatic pistol! Coronel Jeff Cooper will be hilarious!
I was part of the testing to decide on which weapon replaced the I personally liked the Taurus 9mm. But the Beretta ended up being the better one. Still miss the , though. Worked 2nd FSSG Disbursing Office 2nd Marines was across the street when I was there, your chow hall was directly across the street, and was nothing to write home about.
We had to qual with the M9, as we carried with a round chambered while on office duty. Shot expert twice. I remember it seemed to grip my hand damn near perfect. But never had to use it. Not sure if you remember this it might have been you but one of the Marines was caught using break cleaner on his rifle by the SrtMaj and he spend 3 days getting his dick pounded in the dirt.
The SgtMaj was screaming the whole time. It was a huge spectical. Lmfao………Your right that chow hall was terrible. Semper Fi Marine!! Carried and qualed with the m9 during usmc security force training. During the training in the early 90s a glock rep and one of the firearm instructors had several of us shot the same qual with the M9 and the glock Every single one of us scored higher with the glock then the M9.
I believe with the m9 you need to be bout 10ft from enemy combat close I think then though the glockenspiel but the m9 miss u. They should have gone with the glock 19x this time around. I have one and I love it. Sig is nice but they are already having accidental discharge issues. The Glock 17 should have been the choice 30 years ago, and the Glock 19 should be the choice now.
The beretta was always going to win because they promised to put a factory in southern Maryland and it appeased the Italians and we love airfield availability in Italy. I was a 2nd Marine Division marine during the transition from the to the M-9 Beretta. My issued rattled like an old car when I shook it, but it always fired when I pulled the trigger. My only regret about the is that I never obtained the letter and purchased my old issue weapon.
Loved that old war horse, and I wish I still had her. Ret GySgt I started out with the and then the changed to the baretta I liked both the platforms. The had safety issues that you had to watch for and the early baretta had exploding slide issue that we experienced but once the problems were resolved they became formidable weapons in my opinion.
Semper Fi. I was in Vietnam carried a a1 I was a police firearms instructor and tested Beretta and Glock. I chose the Glock. You could throw it any where and it would still work can change sight. The would do that. The M9 is inferior to the Glock 19 in every single way. The ergonomics and trigger of the M9 are widely regarded as among the worst of any prominent pistol. The grip angle to slide angle was too high, and I would have to break my wrist forward to line up the sights.
A quick snap shot would be 3 feet high at a target 5 feet away. My favorite piece now is a Sig P Legion. The demonstration, which took place in The flagship of the U.
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